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Post by Slick on Feb 27, 2008 19:50:24 GMT -5
Just to let everyone know, I got my gun fixed. It only chronoed at around 346 though, with .20's. I was pretty unsatisfied, but when I got home, my Systema Tight Bore and Systema Bucking Compensated for the velocity loss. It's amazing. Goes pretty far and keeps its velocity for a while. I look forward to skirmishing with it. The rate of fire with a 9.6 is pretty impressive as well. Let me know when everyone is available to throw a game together.
Sometime soon, I plan on purchasing a Classic Army M15 (M16). Even with my upgrades, I have realized that my MP5 can only reach out and "touch" the targets that M16's can "hit". I'm going to be putting back money every paycheck for this M15. I can't wait, but until then, my mp5 should be a great primary. I might even just purchase a sniper and use my mp5 as a secondary. Let me know what you guys think.
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Post by iplayairsoft on Feb 27, 2008 21:31:17 GMT -5
Im ready to go any time maybe we can get one going on my b-day and can have my cousin play or at least the weekend before sometime if your up to it on your land
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Post by Fat Tony on Feb 28, 2008 19:15:08 GMT -5
I'd say 346 is right about where an MP5 should be. It's a CQB gun, not meant for long range use outdoors. The Majority of CQB events limit indoor FPS to 350 anyway, so I'd say an MP5 shooting an accurate 346 is a great indoor weapon.
Additionally, I'd say go with a go with a KWA, G&P, or G&G over a Classic Army. The internals on both of my Classic Army (M15 SPC and SPR) have had to be fixed several times when they shouldn't have broken in the first place. It seems that KWA, G&P, and G&G have all made M16 variants that are a lot more reliable than Classic Army for roughly the same price, even less in some cases. I can personally say that once I get my two Classic Army guns back from being fixed (again) I'll never spend more than $150 on another CA M16 variant.
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Post by iplayairsoft on Feb 28, 2008 21:42:39 GMT -5
What if you get your CA upgraded then what would you pick KWA or a CA
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Post by Stalion on Feb 28, 2008 22:23:35 GMT -5
Well the KWA's are getting really good reviews, only set back is that KWA hasnt released any replacment parts yet, so in the instance that something would break ( not looking like they would ) but if they did you would have to go with other company parts. Now the KWA's come stock at around 400 fps so as far as upgrading you wouldnt need to do anything but possibly a precision inner barrel. So for the money my personal opinion is to get the KWA. But dont get me wrong I like the CA and my SCAR has ran fine since ive gotten it and ive been using a 10.8 battery. So if your gonna go with a CA I would suggest a SCAR.
Dom im gonna check with everyone about getting out one more time before "Orion" I know im off next Tuesday and Wednesday so I will see what everyone else is doing. When are your days off?
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Post by Crossfire on Feb 28, 2008 22:53:33 GMT -5
Don't talk too much smack on CA Tony. I'm going to be getting one this summer sometime, with upgrades of course. My luck of having ONE reliable AEG work for almost 5 years on me is probably short on time.
Don't be sour your weapons don't like you Tony =P haha
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Post by Fat Tony on Feb 29, 2008 2:03:29 GMT -5
I would say the same thing to you Matt, get a KWA or a G&P. You're getting a better weapon for the same price. After talking to Mr. Black everything he said is completely true about my CA's. They're good, but they're definitely not the best. They're not even close to being the best in that price range. KWA especially, and to a lesser extent G&G and G&P have surpassed CA in build quality (at least in the M16 variant dept.) and things are changing. Sure, I was a big proponent of CA when my plastic TM body rattled itself into oblivion, but just as CA surpassed TM (not in reliability, but by using metal bodies) KWA and other companies are surpassing CA with their internals. We have to admit that the mighty can fall, and there are better guns out there than CA for the same price.
After umpteen times of having to get my CA's fixed and/or upgraded just to have them be effective, I'm ready to move on to something better. Ask anyone who knows, a stock KWA is the next best thing to a PTW, and for under $300. Matt, your TM's longevity speaks volumes as to the quality of the internals - even after you had it upgraded! I guarantee if you were to buy a CA M15 it would not last nearly as long with no problems. Yeah, the CA can accept a stronger spring than the TM's, but the internals are not nearly as reliably put together. Bottom line - Classic Army is no longer the top dog in the $250 - $400 price range.
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Post by Crossfire on Feb 29, 2008 19:47:56 GMT -5
Well first off where are you finding these KWA's? I don't pay as much attention to the market now as I used to, and I just spent 20 minutes looking up KWA's and all I found was a G36 varient. To be honest, It would take much more than that to persuade me away from the specific CA I want, because no one else carries a model like that. I beleive you, they aren't on the top of the market, but no one brand is completely on the top either. They all have their ups and downs. I never left the world where TM and CA reigned supreme, and ICS, G&G and G&P were the new faces on the market waiting the test of veteran players. I remember it was a simple time, so you might as well call me a quaker haha =P Like I said, you're probably right, but I'm not just going to buy a CA and hold the trigger down until it self-implodes itself. I'm going to have either Blade or Mr. Black do pretty much a complete over-haul of the internals to make it a solid piece. I've had insane luck my one AEG, so whats to say it can't carry on to the next one? (crosses fingers)
Worst comes to worst I could trade my yet to be bought CA for a plastic shotgun and pwn n00bs.
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Post by iplayairsoft on Feb 29, 2008 20:27:49 GMT -5
What CA do you want i already have another one picked out that im going to get
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Post by Slick on Mar 1, 2008 1:24:57 GMT -5
Wow Tony and Vito, that's hilarious. Before I logged in today, I just printed off about 50 pages of reviews on the KWA variants. The only thing that sucks though, is that the M16 that will be released soon (they only have a g36c and a couple variants of the m4 out right now) has RIS. You're thinking, that's awesome! But it's priced at $500! Now I know that it's still a fraction (well, 1/2) of Systema's, but I really don't have that kind of money to spend. I have slowly trailed away from CA, so that's not an option anymore. KWA is my BEST bet for a reliable gun that doesn't need much upgrades (besides new barrel and hop-up chamber as well as bucking). It can take an 11.1 Volt Lipo, but I'd just stick with 9.6, 10.8 Volt at the MOST. (i think it's 10.8). Anyway, I really hope the KWA M16 is cheaper than Evike has it for (Evike is the ONLY one that has the KWA m16 posted on their site - not sure if it is a custom gun or what though. here's the link: store.matrixbb.com/servlet/-strse-28795/%28Pre-dsh-Order-ETA-3-fdsh-10-fdsh-2008%29-KWA/DetailI mean, c'mon, even kwausa.com doesn't have a release date or even a picture on their site about the m16 that's coming out this year. I REALLY hope it's the same price as the M4 variant. If it isn't, looks like I might sell my mp5. I really don't want to due to the $600 put into it in repairs, upgrades, and accessories, but if it's gonna do, it's gonna do. But I REALLY need an M16 SOON. I might have to go with G&P though, but I'm still looking. KWA is my BEST bet so far though, I just hope the $500 on evike isn't the actual msrp. Vito: Sadly, ALL next week I am busy (school). I have practice after school every day as well as the weekend consisting of performances. I will be available the week OF the 15th to possibly skirmish on a week day or go over things, but as far as this coming week, im screwed. Sorry man, it snuck up on me and I totally forgot about it. As for now, I wrote a long letter to a landowner in Berlin Heights: I am awaiting a reply about being able to use their land. We could probably get away with playing in my neighbor's woods (provide WAY MORE open area, as well as obstacles/barriers to use for cover/attack. Either way, we're set. But yea, I'm DEFINITELY leaned as much as I can lean to the KWA's. I just hope the M16 isn't that expensive. Let me know if you guys hear anything about it. I don't want to, but I might have to just go with a KWA M4: probably won't though, due to the regret when the M16's actually come out, lol.
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Post by Fat Tony on Mar 1, 2008 8:36:02 GMT -5
www.airsoftgi.comFiring half a mag on full auto 3-4 times should not cause a completely stock gun to strip gears or destroy a piston. So either Vito used my SPR as a croquet mallet at Irene or the internals on my CA just weren't up to the quality that they should have been. I could see if I had a battery that was too powerful and put a drum mag on and held the trigger down, then I wouldn't have been surprised if my internals were damaged. Given, I fired more full auto than I normally would, but nothing than a stock CA with a 9.6v battery that had only been used twice shouldn't be able to handle. Like I said, the CA M15 has been surpassed. I'm not saying CA is crap, I'm just saying you can get a more reliable weapon firing stock at 350+ fps for the same price as a CA. I've loved my CA's as well but the fact that there are better things out there is a truth we all have to accept.
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Post by Stalion on Mar 1, 2008 14:17:30 GMT -5
For me I will never buy a CA that isnt a SCAR. I have a CA SCAR CQC upgraded to 350 fps. with a precision inner barrel and I run a 10.8 in it and havent broke anything, Now tony was running a 9.6 in his CA DMR and it broke. Tony said it right the CA arent junk they are still very good guns, they just arent in the top 3 anymore. For the price we are gonna pay for the gun itself we need to make sure that we are getting the best we can for the money.
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Post by iplayairsoft on Mar 1, 2008 18:12:08 GMT -5
idk because my CA i had it for a year now and its perfectly fine just the hop up was messed up but i fixed that and ive shot it alot on auto because everytime someone new see's it they want me to fire for them and it happens alot i always play with my cousins and ross and i have had no problem all the inners are upgraded though through precision airsoft but other than that it has worked perfectly i have had no problems but then again i dont play as much as you guys do really just shot here and shots there but ive had no problems with it.
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Post by Slick on Mar 1, 2008 18:23:11 GMT -5
Dan, u fixed the hop-up? What's the distance now?
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Post by Fat Tony on Mar 1, 2008 19:26:51 GMT -5
My M15 SPC worked fine with upgrades for close to a year, but then my hop-up went to sh*t for some reason. After having Toledo Airsoft work on it 3 times and still not having the problem fixed I took it to Mr. Black and he said I needed a whole new hop-up unit. My SPR stripped gears through normal usage the (correction) 3rd time it was used. CA just seems to have a much higher lemon rate than other manufacturers. See some of the problems with CA's outlined here: www.airsoftohio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16881Needless to say, Mr. Black is in plain terms an absolute wizard when it comes to working on Gearboxes. He knows his stuff. Again, my whole point isn't that CA is bad, and many people have CA's and have no problems with them. My point is that for the same price you can get a gun with better internals and a higher stock FPS.
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